They wouldn't even debate with the prophet Daniel. They'd just ask him who the heck he thought he was.
Anna Marina
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Debate
by gabcol inback in the day, russell and rutherford would hold debates with other religious leaders.
why has jehovah's witnesses stopped doing that?
i think it would be very interesting to see how they would hold up on a debate now.
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Satan Hurled Out in 1914 - Will They Say It Was Never Taught?
by Anna Marina inwbts rewrites/carefully edits their own history.
since 2005, i have been through a lot with with wbts.
recently i came across a suggestions that they will start denying that they ever said satan was hurled out of heaven in 1914.. in my experience, it is one doctrine many ordinary members are clear about - you ask them what supposedly took place in 1914 and they'll say, "satan was hurled out of heaven, therefore world war i started.".
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Anna Marina
Someone way back in the 1980s worked out that as the invisible ruler of the world is Satan and given Jesus didn't really return/become invisibly present in 1914 - that means 1914 can be used as a mask to put over Satan to try to spin it that he is Jesus. The ultimate, "Satan keeps disguising himself as an angel of righteousness."
In addition to this, I wonder if they'll say that just as Nebuchadnezzar lost his mind for 7 times, so did Jesus. But he got his senses back in 1914.
Take it one step further, maybe it'll get spun as, "in 1914 Jesus was hurled out of heaven."
I wouldn't put this sort of nonsense beyond them.
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Satan Hurled Out in 1914 - Will They Say It Was Never Taught?
by Anna Marina inwbts rewrites/carefully edits their own history.
since 2005, i have been through a lot with with wbts.
recently i came across a suggestions that they will start denying that they ever said satan was hurled out of heaven in 1914.. in my experience, it is one doctrine many ordinary members are clear about - you ask them what supposedly took place in 1914 and they'll say, "satan was hurled out of heaven, therefore world war i started.".
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Anna Marina
WBTS rewrites/carefully edits their own history. Since 2005, I have been through a lot with with WBTS. Recently I came across a suggestions that they will start denying that they ever said Satan was hurled out of heaven in 1914.
In my experience, it is one doctrine many ordinary members are clear about - you ask them what supposedly took place in 1914 and they'll say, "Satan was hurled out of heaven, therefore World War I started."
I can't guarantee that they will rewrite this doctrine but, if you have relatives who are PIMI and hold firmly to this belief, why not ask them (if they'll talk to you) how they would feel if WBTS denied ever saying Satan was hurled out of heaven in 1914. Especially if they start blaming the rank and file for making it up - or maybe they'll blame Jesus instead. Who knows.
Anyway, for reference here is one place where it is clearly stated:-
*** w04 2/1 p. 20 par. 10 “The Scene of This World Is Changing” ***
So Satan the Devil is the guilty troublemaker, and his ouster from heaven in 1914 has meant “woe for the earth and for the sea, because the Devil has come down to you, having great anger, knowing he has a short period of time.”—Revelation 12:10, 12. -
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Governing Body - Time in Ministry
by Peeringin inis there any transparency in how many hours on the ministry the governing body members do on the ministry?
by this i mean the physical act of going door to door in their area.
i guess it is plausible that they would count overseas trips and working on publications as part of their ministry, but this is not what they encourage from the jw on the street.. is it possible for a gb member to be reproved or otherwise for not going out in service?
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Anna Marina
Hi Smiddy - yes that's right.
And when I presented the GB with the absolute scriptural proof that they were in opposition to someone who could, reasonably be identified as one of Jehovah's Witnesses, ie the prophet Daniel, I got met with silence. Utter and complete silence.
The prophets Jeremiah and Ezekiel and can also be described as Jehovah's Witnesses and their words also prove 1914 wrong. So I took 3 witnesses against them. Three witnesses genuinely inspired by Jehovah and GB ignored all of them! Shortly after my communications had hit Bethel (recorded, signed for), Anthony Morris was see out buying whiskey. Don't know if there was any connection to my letters and website.
The only thing I am or ever was, is a Christian. I went along with the name 'Jehovah's Witness' as an alternative term for a Christian on the basis that Jesus was the greatest descendant of Jacob. But really people who follow Jesus' teachings are Christians, nothing else. Or that's how it should be, even if people do choose to take denominational names.
Anyway hope Anthony enjoyed his whiskey. The GB obviously have lots of time to go shopping but no time to address my serious scriptural concerns.
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Another one Out!!!
by ZindagiNaMilegiDobaara ini am over the moon today!.
just want to share my joy with all of you.
just yesterday my closest n bestest (for emphasis) friend hugged me so tight n so long n revealed that my friend is starting to feel normal again.
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Anna Marina
You'll know the truth and the truth will set you free :)
Yippee
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Governing Body - Time in Ministry
by Peeringin inis there any transparency in how many hours on the ministry the governing body members do on the ministry?
by this i mean the physical act of going door to door in their area.
i guess it is plausible that they would count overseas trips and working on publications as part of their ministry, but this is not what they encourage from the jw on the street.. is it possible for a gb member to be reproved or otherwise for not going out in service?
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Anna Marina
Well I have disfellowshipped them.
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Attention Lurkers- the Paradise Resort Bus
by stuckinamovement inimagine boarding a bus with your family for a long anticipated vacation.
the destination is a place that is promised to be beautiful warm and sunny.
as you are boarding the bus you are given a ticket stub with several paragraph's of fine print.
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Anna Marina
Agreed Baldeagle - it is very cruel. I will never identify such people as Jehovah's Witnesses, let alone Christians. It is horrible behaviour.
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Attention Lurkers- the Paradise Resort Bus
by stuckinamovement inimagine boarding a bus with your family for a long anticipated vacation.
the destination is a place that is promised to be beautiful warm and sunny.
as you are boarding the bus you are given a ticket stub with several paragraph's of fine print.
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Attention Lurkers- the Paradise Resort Bus
by stuckinamovement inimagine boarding a bus with your family for a long anticipated vacation.
the destination is a place that is promised to be beautiful warm and sunny.
as you are boarding the bus you are given a ticket stub with several paragraph's of fine print.
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Anna Marina
I was told he studied with Zephania Waddell and Zeph said he'd never make it because he loved celebrity too much.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rbNP5yqg7hc
On the other hand, maybe he knew what kind of bus it was. If he did, he never told Hank Marvin.
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Spiritual 'Pharisaical legal text' makes you 'accountable' if you attend a JW 'JUDICIAL COMMITTEE'
by Nathan R. Koppe inspiritual 'pharisaical legal text' makes you 'accountable' if you attend a jw 'judicial committee'.
'regular' jw's attending a 'judicial committee' automatically and without realising it, both admit to a 'wrongdoing' and 'subject themselves' to jw .org-inisation 'elders'.. it has also been well-documented that jw .org is 'coming after long--term inactive ones, that are causing 'divisions'.. there is a greater emphasis being put on 'shunning' those labelled with 'apostate' (behaviour).. the 'slanderous' naming and shaming of (former) members who have questioned the jw.
org-inisation is relentlessly being propagated in both publications and their gatherings, such as their ironically named 'love never fails' 2019 convention.. ironically, the scriptures they often refer to such as the one at titus 3:10 the original greek word hairetikos, which is translated to the the word “heretic,.
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Anna Marina
This was around 2007. After London Bethel sent my letter to him, "by mistake" (as I was told), my letter was then sent to another elder, in one of our sister congregations.
That elder (a PO) then said to me, "and WHAT have YOU got against my friend xxxx xxxxxxxx."
That was the beginning and pretty much the end of any further mention of the subject. I just shut up.